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The In wrestling section being separated like that had no consensus. It was an agreement between myself and Lid (who got the article to FA in the first place). Since his moveset is really quite different between the indy circuit and WWE, we felt it was better to desperate it than have ten or eleven moves that have a note afterwards that says "WWE" or "independent circuit." Feel free to bring it up with him or at WT:PW if you like. In addition, Evan Bourne's article was also separated the same way a while back. Cheers, Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
First, why are you asking me? Second, we should list the reign as continuous. It began at The Bash, and at Night of Champions Edge was replaced. The official reign actually began at The Bash and has never changed, so why make it a new reign? That is WWE's way to show a change in champions. Just place the names side by side with a "/" in between.--WillC01:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Cryme Tyme b. The Hardy Dynasty to face Y2J & Big Show at SummerSlam.
- The winner gets a title shot at SummerSlam. Shad and DH Smith start the match off. The crowd is behind Cryme Tyme. JTG hits a swinging neckbreaker for the win via pinfall. After the match, Big Show and Chris Jericho come out toe major heat. Jericho warns them that things are going down hill. They continue to exchange words back and forth promoting their match at SummerSlam. Finlay & Rey Mysterio vs. Dolph Ziggler & Mike Knox is announced for later.
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http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/13424—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.201.253 (talk) 01:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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SummerSlam 2009 poster
Hi there, I'm looking for a little advice here if you don't mind. I have saved a link for a second SummerSlam poster from Main Event for about a month now, keeping it in case the In Demand one doesn't match up with the trailers, website, etc. In light of the recent trailers and the 2009 website now up, would it be valid enough to upload this over the old one? --Oakster18:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually I think the In Demand version should be used. It also has CM Punk in place of the Undertaker and from the recent trailers, I'm having doubts that he will return for the show unlike HBK. Thanks for the heads up. --Oakster19:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Night of Champions (2009)
Why is it "not notable" that three championships changed hands and five were retained? The lead is there to summarise the article and you can't get a more succinct summary than that. --Jameboy (talk) 17:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Not sure I get you. Surely the lead should just summarise the event, regardless of whether it is mundane or spectacular. --Jameboy (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
GAB 05
Sorry, but move names are not actually needed. They are a add-on. You can add them if you wish, as long as they are explained so they pass jargon.--WillC20:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Well really it should be Jeter hit a home run by hitting the ball over the fence", if anything. The long explanations are not needed, but an explanation is still needed. The name is not important in all cases. Why say he performed a missile dropkick when you can just link to it and say "a dropkick from the top rope" since dropkick is a common move among many sports and games. Well if a person is looking to learn about move names, etc why would they be looking at GAB 05?--WillC20:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Unlikely? I don't think so. I've had a few people I know read Lockdown 08 to tell me what they think and they don't know the difference between a headlock and a sleeper hold. The names are nothing more than an add on to me to be honest. They can be avoided easily. Name any move and I can show this is true and it can still sound professional, understandable, and pleasing to wrestling fans like ourselves.--WillC21:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
No, some I said "Hey, read this", while some I said "Hey, I wrote an article on Wikipedia, it is called Lockdown 2008". The names are easy to avoid, do not add much to the article, hurt the flow if not worded correctly. Like above, why have it "performed a missile dropkick, a dropkick from the top rope", when you can have "he performed a dropkick from the top rope"?--WillC21:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
It was their interest in reading. They are non-fans who read the article. I did not force them to read it, they still read it. Or how about the users on here who have reviewed all the GAs, FAs, etc since the change. I've had a few say the explanations, etc were helpful. Okay, we have established non-fans read the articles. Correct, not all dropkicks from the top rope are missile dropkicks but most are but the explanation is still correct in describing what is going on which is the point. Not all Tombstone Piledrivers are performed by The Undertaker, not all Ankle Locks are performed by Kurt Angle, not all Muscle Busters are performed by Samoa Joe, not all DDTs are performed by Jack Roberts, etc. What is your point?--WillC21:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Who is to say what? If I had not said nothing, no telling if they would have read it or not. The actual names of the moves do not have to be used because I've seen plenty of articles not use the actual names and become GA, etc. Fine then, use "a dropkick from an elevated position".--WillC01:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
And I agreed not all are missiles. Final Resolution 05 Ultimate X match and AJ's death spot as an example. As for recently passed articles there has only been a few PPVs and I was involved in all of them so thanks. When it comes to name, it is just not important. The only thing that is important is what is going on. If the reader understands that a wrestler was dropped on his head then pinned, then the job is done. The names can be included though I don't think they are needed but that is our differenting opinions. When you write articles you can include the names, while when I write I may or may not included them. I'm fine with it as long as they pass jargon, etc.--WillC01:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Did I ever say that bolding was not allowed anywhere? No, I said it should not be in text, as you can see in the link above where Dabomb87 tells exactly why bolding in tables should not be used and gives a link as well. Also, no where does it say that we must use bolding in tables.--WillC21:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for the welcome, I've been a registered user for three years. :-) It was not general discussion and relates to the article. The sorts of responses I was expecting might have been:
No idea, can't find any sources that explain this
You're wrong, six isn't a particularly low number of matches for a PPV, not worth mentioning
Yes, there is a reason for this which is (blah), we should note this in the article
There is a reason, which is (blah), but it's not especially notable for the article.
Discussion of the article includes what is not in the article as well as what is. When I see something that looks a little unusual that I can't readily explain myself or by reading the article, I may decide to point it out, in case something has been overlooked in the article (in this case it is probably less likely as it's already a GA). This is a million miles from a "Cena sucks - who agrees?"-type comment. --Jameboy (talk) 22:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Alrighty then. Can you recommend any good message boards, as I have other questions relating to wrestling articles that I'd like to discuss somewhere? --Jameboy (talk) 22:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Game & Watch
The information for those DSiWare releases comes directly from the Nintendo.co.jp page, where for each entry they are indeed titled 'Game & Watch so-and-so' (or, more accurately, 'ゲーム＆ウオッチ so-and-so'). Until Nintendo releases information on those games being released for NA/EU/AUS, we have to go by what they're being called on that official page, whether or not past handheld releases have been individually named in the same manner.
IMO, it's no different from the 'Art Style: blah-blah-blah' format for games in the Art Style series, only that there's no colon separating the series from the name (yet). -- Khisanth (talk) 15:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Not listing the game's full name as seen in the shop on the article about games listed in the shop is not helpful to the average user (who may somehow think Mercs and Wolfs of the Battlefield: Mercs are two entirely different games), and redirecting to the articles for the original release(s) of the ported games is enough to educate those interested enough in finding out more about the game(s) in question. An experienced gamer would know the difference and would probably understand what we're talking about (especially if they'd played the game before under the original non-seriesed or non-subtitled title), but I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is trying to focus more on accessibility for average users trying to find out more about the games available to them in the Wii/DSi Shop. :)
Even the title screens for the games themselves (as shown on that Nintendo.co.jp page) have 'Game & Watch' prominently featured above the game's individual name. I suppose once there is more information about a NA/EU/AUS release for these games, we'll know for absolute sure how to list them. Though I certainly agree with you with regards to page naming and creation for the games that don't yet have wiki articles (the official title for those pages would be Ball, Manhole, Mario's Cement Factory, whatever, because the original release would be covered as well as the GBC/GBA/DS/DSiWare ports), as pertains to the DSiWare list, I really think we should stick to the titles as officially listed by Nintendo in the Shops in order to keep things accessible. -- Khisanth (talk) 15:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I meant, we cannot have 1.9m sales for Wii Sports Resort while giving references for only 1.1m. In other words, if we don't need to provide a reference for the rest of the sales, we could as well mention it sold 7 million and wait for the amount to catch up? Also, I think the NA release date is very American specific, either have each of them or none. Will be editing to remove the release date and update Wii Sports Resort to the last number with references for Japan. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
In spanish is Villano IV, no villaño... please, study spanish..I am latin american. the word villaño does not exist. For example: the correct form is El Puerto Riqueño, but you were writing El Puerto RicanoUser:Ericystephi02:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Recent edits relating to Friday Night SmackDown and ECW on Syfy links
TJ I've been keeping an eye on some articles on my watchlist and I've noticed a few things coming from your edits. As shown with this most recent example you continue to break direct links by changing SmackDown and ECW (WWE) wikilinks to Friday Night SmackDown and ECW on Syfy respectively. I'm not sure whether you are aware of these changes as you make your edits to articles but I just wanted to bring the matter to your attention. Thank you.--UnquestionableTruth--01:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
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Can you please explain to me to some extent why you are changing the ECW and SD links around to the Redirects, I do believe its been previously agreed that these pages stay at WWE SmackDown! and ECW (WWE). AfroGold - Afkatk 22:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I haven't done it a few days, and I explained on bulletproof's page. All I am doing is changing it to what WWE considers the official names of the shows. TJSpyke22:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I would think your Contributions page would highly suggest you have been changing them to the redirects within the past 2 hours, [1][2], just as 2 examples, need I remind you this is not an American Wikipedia and the General terms are rightfully being used, if you do continue you do know this does fall under the lines of vandalism. AfroGold - Afkatk 22:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I assumed you meant changing them from "ECW (WWE)" and "WWE SmackDown" to the correct terms. Either way, it's not vandalism as I am trying to improve the articles by using the official names for the shows. TJSpyke23:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Well on Wikipedia we are trying to improve articles remember, I don't see in what way of changing the links to redirects improves the article, it was decided on that the Articles be moved to their common names, so you are making disruptive edits. AfroGold - Afkatk 23:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
How is changing from one redirect (like "ECW on Sci Fi") to another (like "ECW on Syfy") disruptive? It's not doing anything wrong. As for my edit summary, I stated my opinion on wanting people to help get the articles moved back to the correct names. I am not doing anything wrong. TJSpyke23:47, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Armageddon 2000
This is my first time trying to communicate with users via wikipedia, so if I'm doing this incorrectly, I had no clar instruction on how to do this either, so go figure. But so you know Lynard Skynard's Sweet Home Alabama WAS NOT the event theme for WWF's Armageddon event in 2000. It was a WWF produced remake. WWF didn't go with consistent main stream music with PPVs until the following summer and one prior occasion (Summerslam 1998). Watch the tape and you'll see. I say tape because no official DVD exists of the event, DVDs from WWF that year consist only of their big 5 events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Repainted (talk • contribs) 19:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
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ECW and SmackDown name campaign
Okay, its annoying the hell out of me on my watchlist with your campaign of "(Support the effort to get back ECW on Syfy and WWE Friday Night SmackDown, the correct names)". If you feel this strong about your opposition to the names of WWE SmackDown and ECW (WWE), please discuss it somewhere relevant instead of campaigning. In addition, do not fix links that are not broken. Per WP:R2D, while there are no problems with linking to redirects, in this case it is not beneficial as the redirect is being piped. We had lengthy discussions over this and it was accepted as a general consensus.--Truco50302:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Was there a point in making a seperate section when there is a similar one already? I am not technically doing anything wrong. I do plan on starting a discussion again soon, I just want to get the word out. There is no reason the articles shouldn't be moved back to the official names. TJSpyke02:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
What you are doing can come across potentially as cross-canvassing (even if without directly messaging editors). You need to be careful. Sigh, have you read the previous discussions as to why they were moved originally? If not, you need to.--Truco50302:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I was involved with the original discussion, and I strongly opposed the moves. Just because some international markets use the shortened names is no reason to ignore what WWE considers to be the actual names of the show (as evidenced at wwe.com). I am not trying to canvas, although I suppose it could come off that way. TJSpyke02:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not saying you can't express your opinion, just that you need to be careful on how you do it. The thing you have on your userpage is fine. You do realize that WWE is an international industry right? You also realize that WWE.com is available in different languages in different countries right? Wikipedia is not U.S. based, which is why the international-common name is used. You can even RFC the situation and you will get the same feedback.--Truco50302:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I know WWE does international business. It is a US based company though and they have made it clear many times that the US is their primary market. Nobody had a problem with SmackDown's page name for the 4 years it was there, ECW was always a mess (first it was "Extreme Championship Wrestling (WWE)", then "ECW (WWE)", then "ECW on Sci Fi", then "ECW on Syfy", and not stupidly back at "ECW (WWE)" but eventually it was agreed to use the shows name. As soon as I think the support is there to move them back, I will start the discussion. I will cut back on my edit summaries (although once in awhile I will comment on it, but only like once or twice a day). TJSpyke02:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Here's the problem. Someone in Australia or Britain could be on Wikipedia looking up "ECW" (which is what it's called Internationally), but they come to ECW on Syfy->Syfy is a U.S channel only and we cannot name an article based on the US name when there is another common name used for all markets because that would be biased, which Wikipedia is not.--Truco50303:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you missed this invite, or perhaps you just don't want to discuss your edits? It would be unfortunate for the discussion to progress without your input. --Oscarthecat (talk) 06:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Re:Deni malkoc
Hi TJ Spyke. I removed your report at WP:AIV because the report was over several hours old and no one had blocked the user. We do this at WP:AIV to prevent old reports from cluttering up the page (in other words, cleanup). Yes, by all means, do report the user again if they vandalize again. Regards, FASTILY(TALK)02:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Knockouts Tag Title
I've begun expansion on an article for the above future title in a subpage. So expect an article to be created for it soon at TNA Women's Knockout Tag Team Championship. Thought to inform you, since we are really the only ones who work on TNA related articles much anymore.--WillC22:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it has to so much to do with popularity, instead has to do with very few editors these days. There are alot of ips running around but very few active signed up editors. We are down to near 10 users even expanding these days, and some of them, like myself, are too busy to take on a big project (main reason there isn't alot of expanded TNA PPVs anymore). Well at the moment there isn't alot of information regarding the title, but enough to make sure it is at least Start level. You'll be surprised at what I can do with this little amount of info. Within two months I could get it to GA after the first champions are crowned.--WillC22:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, who cares if I put pictures on the page it's not making it any uglier it's nice and I think it's good there are a lot of pictures on there because it explains the page more.
Thank You..--Curtis61901:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Stop messing around with me the pictures are fine and just because that tag says there is too many pictures it doesn't always mean it's right..--Curtis619 01:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Enjoy that i'll keep undoing it. I'm not putting in too many pictures 8 is fine i've seen some with 10 images..--Curtis619 01:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
How can you block me from editing?.--Curtis61901:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've reverted it again, I would suggest you put a report in at 3RR for Curtis23. I have also requested page protection, which should help a little. However if protection is turned down and the vandalism continues then re-apply. Darrenhusted (talk) 01:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
If you saw SummerSlam what did you think about WWE Championship match? First time Randy Orton defened his championship was on DQ but they restarted the match. The second time he defened his championship was when he got counted-out but they restarted the match again. The third time he defended his championship he got the 3-count but he put his feet on the rope to help him so they restarted the match. Finally, the fourth time after an RKO he pinned John Cena in the middle of the ring and got the 3-count to officially win the match. What do you think about that?--Curtis61913:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The match was OK. I didn't mind all the restarts. The dirtsheets are reporting that the "fan" was Brett DiBiase (son of Ted DiBiaise and younger brother of Ted DiBiase, Jr., Brett currently wrestles in WWE's developmental territory FCW).
Anybody heard about the "I Quit" Match Randy Orton and John Cena will haw a match in at Breaking Point? Any predictions about that??--Curtis61921:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Survivor Series 2009
I don't want to get into another edit war so I was saying that I think it's ok to let me put up Survivor Series it's only about 3 months away and they already have WrestleMania XXVI up there.--Curtis61921:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
But I do have a few things about SS up there and still editing it..--Curtis619 21:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
How do I make a test page?.--Curtis61921:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Wrestlemania XXVII
You said that I could put in WrestleManias ahead of time so why did you send me a message that says I added uncensored content?.--Curtis61900:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
DJ Gabriel/Gabriel
Are you so dumb that you do not understand that as an ECW Superstar DJ Gabriel gimmick is still considered valid while in FCW he uses the Gabriel gimmick???? I can draw if you need... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.135.8 (talk) 03:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey jerk I watch FCW every week... I know exactly what you are talking about... But the prime source is and always will be the WWE.com... And please not appearing in ECW is not a reason... Undertaker was absent since Wrestlemania and was not out of the Smackdown roster (for example)... And a wrestler can use two gimmicks at the same time... Gregory Helms and Hurricane in ECW for an example or Brett DiBiase (a face on FCW and a heel on Raw)... Try to think a little bit... It can help you a lot...
PS: The roster is not only about people who are wrestling... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.135.8 (talk) 03:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
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Mr. McMahon
According with WWE.com Mr. McMahon is a Raw Superstar... He never figths on Smackdown or ECW just on Raw... I do not know why do you think that you know all the things more than the WWE... Just take a loook please: http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/
Mr. McMahon appears in all three brands but only fights on Raw... So what about Josh Mathews???? He appears in all three brands too... Will you delete his name from ECW too???? Big Show & Chris Jericho appears in all three brands too because of their tag team... Will you delete their names foram Raw and SmackDown???? Stop to think before say bullshit kid... What is the problem to admit that you are wrong this time???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.135.8 (talk) 00:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey KID I saw your profile... You are two years older than my youngest daughter... And you are more wilful than her... And I do not need to sign because the Sinebot shows my IP to you... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.135.8 (talk) 00:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
It is not to annoy you kid... It is just because my eyesight is not so good as yours... It is more easy to me to visualize the discussion with this spaces... And I will not sing again see???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.135.8 (talk) 00:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
For your information, I didn't "add" anything to the page without "citing a reliable scource". I, along with many other people who read the page in question, corrected the jargon that is being used in the Return to Smackdown! section - I.E, the use of the term 'Fan Favourite'.
The case was clearly settled in the discussion section, yet some petty person continued to revert the page back to saying 'Fan Favourite', which is clearly unacceptable for Wikipedia as it is, as previously mentioned, jargon.
I guess PWInsider isn't really considered a reliable source around here. So what would count, TNA removing her profile or her announcing on her website that she's done? ErikNY (talk) 01:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Aw shit, well there's a day wasted. I thought OWW was a sort of last resort source; others were more reliable but if nothing else could be found it could be used. Bugger. Tony2Times (talk) 00:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Survivor Series (2009)
What do you mean too early isn't it about 2 months away to Survivor Series why can't I make an article. Curtis23 (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Come on yes there is!!!!!!!!! Curtis23 (talk) 18:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I'll find info. Curtis23 (talk) 18:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Come on!!!!!!!!!!!! Curtis23 (talk) 23:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Check out my user page i made a few articles tell me how i'm doing on my talk page.--Curtis619 23:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Remember to check out my page and then tell me how my articles are on my talk page .--Curtis61916:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
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